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Old 21st June 2020, 00:20   #1 (permalink)
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Muhammad Ali and Black Lives Matter

Muhammad Ali’s son says dad would have hated ‘racist’ Black Lives Matter

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/muhamm...lives-matters/

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On the fourth anniversary of his death, Muhammad Ali’s only biological son says that his father would be against Black Lives Matter, calling the movement “racist” and the protesters “devils.”

The legendary boxer and activist stood up against racism throughout his life, but Muhammad Ali Jr. says his dad would have been sickened by how the protests have turned to violence and looting after the death of George Floyd.
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Muhammad Ali’s son says dad would have hated ‘racist’ Black Lives Matter

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/muhamm...lives-matters/

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On the fourth anniversary of his death, Muhammad Ali’s only biological son says that his father would be against Black Lives Matter, calling the movement “racist” and the protesters “devils.”

The legendary boxer and activist stood up against racism throughout his life, but Muhammad Ali Jr. says his dad would have been sickened by how the protests have turned to violence and looting after the death of George Floyd.
Perhaps he is misinformed? Dunno, just sayin'??? I dunno about you but I have no earthly idea what my deceased father might have to say on this or any other matter. Media focus on looting fails to compare the hundreds of thousands of non-violent people who simply want justice and police killings to stop.

Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests: Indicators of White Supremacists

Minnesota “authorities have been monitoring alleged criminals online, including postings by suspected white supremacists trying to incite violence.”

allegations emerged that undercover police officers might be to blame for some of the worst commercial destruction in Minneapolis.

The demographics of a largely white, young, and destructive group fit more with a movement known as accelerationists than Black Lives Matter.

The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction.

“hardcore ‘accelerationists’ … are encouraging their neo-Nazi followers to go to the protests and carry out acts of violence against black people.”


'Riots', 'mobs', 'chaos': the establishment always frames change as dangerous
Look at history. Every time Black people challenge the power structure they are characterized as criminals or radicals

Whatever property damage occurs on the margins, by uninvolved actors, is a sideshow to this urgent purpose.

The protests contain a welter of motivations but one unifying theme. The current order of policing can no longer be countenanced.

In some cases, non-Black protestors have moved peaceful gatherings into violence, even when Black voices strongly advocated otherwise.
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Re: Muhammad Ali and Black Lives Matter

What ever way you look at it, the protests are a powerful force and the associated violence theft and criminal damage are a strong argument for the extremists to condemn the protests. SO its totally counterproductive.

Infiltrating a peaceful protest to use it as cover for crime is a well known phenomenon

Infiltrating a peaceful protest claiming to support said protest whilst actively trying to insight violence and chaos is an equally well-known tactic to discredit such protest


I actually feel sorry for peaceful activists in situations where the issue has this much coverage. It must be impossible to police.

HOWEVER, what they can do is speak out in the strongest terms against the violent and criminal aspects of the protest

This is what we should be hearing from all the supporters and self-promoting

A & B listers trying to get cred on the back of this issue.

100% support for the issue and 100% condemnation of the criminal acts

That's not happening and that's what upsets me
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Re: Muhammad Ali and Black Lives Matter

I wonder what real knowledge this man knows of his biological father? being estranged and dis-inherited from him since the age of 14 when the boxer remarried, only getting the occasional phone call or attendance at a family event when he asked, and it then falling completely apart, if that was possible due to Ali's last wife in Ali's last ten years of his life .....

Is he not trying to sheath the boxer in his own political thinking as a Trump supporter ...or is he living off the boxers name and his relation of sorts to him. Giving a controversial story to the newspaper for money, to help his known fighting fund to fight his disinheritance with the boxers family ?


The boxer yes, had a friendship with Trump whilst on the celebrity circuit which the boxer and then estate agent /showman frequented, before Trumps political career but it waned a bit when Trump came to power and did his ban on Muslims entering the country, with Ali a Muslim himself, criticizing not Trump by name but the ban and Trumps divisive policy.

We have to remember that Muhammad Ali is a universally recognized sporting icon............... posters seen in Palestinian refugee camps to once apartheid South Africa.


He was also strong activist for Black Americans civil rights having a home life of oppression and inequality. He also had close friendships with Black Power activist Stokely Carmichael , Michael X ( Ali once member of the Nation Islam) and Martin Luther King before joining the "Nation", He was also a vocal opponent to the U.S. government’s intervention in Vietnam and alleged conscientious objector He also himself attended demonstrations like the Poor People's march on Washington 1968..... ( so can't see him REALLY objecting to BLM , maybe against the opportunist looters ) he mellowed his activism due to acceptance of Sufism, and following more acceptable every day views due to age an illness disappointing at times some on the Left being brought up hearing of his strident activism before ...


president Barack Obama eulogized Ali at his Funeral acknowledging the boxer’s contradictions and complications but settling on gratitude.

“He stood with King and Mandela; stood up when it was hard; spoke out when others wouldn’t,” Obama wrote. “His fight outside the ring would cost him his title and his public standing. It would earn him enemies on the left and the right, make him reviled, and nearly send him to jail. But Ali stood his ground. And his victory helped us all"

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What ever way you look at it, the protests are a powerful force and the associated violence theft and criminal damage are a strong argument for the extremists to condemn the protests. SO its totally counterproductive.

Infiltrating a peaceful protest to use it as cover for crime is a well known phenomenon

Infiltrating a peaceful protest claiming to support said protest whilst actively trying to insight violence and chaos is an equally well-known tactic to discredit such protest

I actually feel sorry for peaceful activists in situations where the issue has this much coverage. It must be impossible to police.

HOWEVER, what they can do is speak out in the strongest terms against the violent and criminal aspects of the protest

This is what we should be hearing from all the supporters and self-promoting
A & B listers trying to get cred on the back of this issue.

100% support for the issue and 100% condemnation of the criminal acts

That's not happening and that's what upsets me
Google can help find what you seek...

Unfortunately peaceful protests are not as headline filling or "newsworthy" TV coverage as is a good head-bashing by a thug or hooligan. Please keep in mind that almost all "news" outlets are for-profit organisations, violence and sex are what sells, not a group of citizens chanting and walking down a main street.

However, for those challenged to understand BLM (Black Lives Matter) here is a video wherein a Black Lives Matter Organizer Explains Movement To Older White Americans Using Sailing Metaphors To Make Them Feel More Comfortable and perhaps help us all gain a better understanding of what BLM is attempting to accomplish.

BTW, your comment "SO its totally counterproductive. " which I understand how some folks could think it is so, might logically lead one to the conclusion, for example, that football matches which end in violence are "counterproductive" and, by inference, should be stopped.

However, for the few who cannot be bothered, here are just a few examples.
Black Lives Matter 757 speaks out against riots, looting
HAMPTON, Va. — Black Lives Matter 757 is speaking out against recent violent protests that happened in Hampton Roads. BLM 757 President Aubrey JaPharii Jones explained they did not start or provoke riots like the ones that led to curfews in Hampton and in Virginia Beach.
“We would like to let the world know that we were in no way, shape, or form involved in any type of violence or misconduct that took place last night or any nights here in the 757,” said Jones.


Black Lives Matter 757 wants to help businesses affected by protest at Oceanfront
The group, which hosted "#BlackOut757 Shutdown the Oceanfront," said it's working on a plan to assist restaurants and stores that were damaged.

Black Lives Matter 757 says it had no role in damage, looting at Peninsula Town Center
Black Lives Matter said in a Wednesday press conference it had no role “in any way shape or form” in the damage at Peninsula Town Center, according to leader Aubrey Japharii Jones.

Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence,creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.
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