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Old 30th June 2020, 05:58   #1 (permalink)
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Black Lives Matter

I have been following this idea for a few weeks. They have a Web site, which is quite clear, but on closer looking is a little vague in its aspirations (link below); the USA and UK sites are largely the same.

There are a few things which make me wonder where this will go. For example, there is no mention of multiculturalism, but a lot of talk about setting up "village" groups which care for each other. They reject the concept of "family" as a Western construct. No talk about integration.

They want to defund the police and close prisons, but do not say what goes in their place.

https://blacklivesmatter.com

Evidence seems to be that to question the aims of BLM, can in itself be branded "racist", and people are already losing their jobs and prospects of employment for doing just that.

I wonder where this is going

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Old 30th June 2020, 08:31   #2 (permalink)
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Old 30th June 2020, 11:08   #3 (permalink)
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Old 30th June 2020, 11:19   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Black Lives Matter

It's the loony left jumping on the bandwagon and it will eventually dilute before eventually losing it's momentum (momentum probably being the activists).
Before then, we have activists who want to disband the Police, Capitalism and all the usual garbage but this time attaching to BLM.
We are already a melting pot in the UK of various cultures, religions and backgrounds and for the main part, we seem to get along nicely.
It's not perfect, but it's not the US by any means.
What worries me is not so much the activists, who are small in number as a percentage of the entire population, but the apologists and politically correct leaders in our society who are too blinkered in their own ideals and are basically frightened to say anything for fear of being accused of being racist, homophobic etc etc, so for their own continued success in high position with salaries to match they are willingly dragged into the situation.
We are left with Police chiefs who are ineffective, law and order suspended, politicians who dare not say anything which might offend and now 'tokenism' which to me is unacceptable as well.
My daughter was about to apply for an investigative journalism post with the BBC some months ago, before BLM, and after reading the online requirements went no further. She fell at the first hurdle because it openly stated on the application that they were recruiting more diverse applicants and then went on to ask in the first two questions - What is your colour? & Are you straight, gay, trans-whatever? It was several questions later before it even asked about qualifications or experience, which did not seem to require much of anything.
We are now told that to include more Police officers from Diverse backgrounds, the applications will be diluted in entry requirements - which is dumbing down in other words.
I find this concept as insulting as bias in the opposite direction as it must be applying a stigma for someone to get a job in the knowledge that they only got it on meeting the diversity requirements and not as the best candidate for the job, ie on merit.
That is the situation we are allowing to happen and that is why there is no way I will applaud or copy anyone in "taking the knee".
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Old 30th June 2020, 12:49   #5 (permalink)
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It's the loony left jumping on the bandwagon and it will eventually dilute before eventually losing it's momentum (momentum probably being the activists).
Before then, we have activists who want to disband the Police, Capitalism and all the usual garbage but this time attaching to BLM.
We are already a melting pot in the UK of various cultures, religions and backgrounds and for the main part, we seem to get along nicely.
It's not perfect, but it's not the US by any means.
What worries me is not so much the activists, who are small in number as a percentage of the entire population, but the apologists and politically correct leaders in our society who are too blinkered in their own ideals and are basically frightened to say anything for fear of being accused of being racist, homophobic etc etc, so for their own continued success in high position with salaries to match they are willingly dragged into the situation.
We are left with Police chiefs who are ineffective, law and order suspended, politicians who dare not say anything which might offend and now 'tokenism' which to me is unacceptable as well.
My daughter was about to apply for an investigative journalism post with the BBC some months ago, before BLM, and after reading the online requirements went no further. She fell at the first hurdle because it openly stated on the application that they were recruiting more diverse applicants and then went on to ask in the first two questions - What is your colour? & Are you straight, gay, trans-whatever? It was several questions later before it even asked about qualifications or experience, which did not seem to require much of anything.
We are now told that to include more Police officers from Diverse backgrounds, the applications will be diluted in entry requirements - which is dumbing down in other words.
I find this concept as insulting as bias in the opposite direction as it must be applying a stigma for someone to get a job in the knowledge that they only got it on meeting the diversity requirements and not as the best candidate for the job, ie on merit.
That is the situation we are allowing to happen and that is why there is no way I will applaud or copy anyone in "taking the knee".
But nothing regarding the rabid rabble rousing right and their sickening racist posturing and violence ?

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Re: Black Lives Matter

As I've said before Steve, the rabble rousing right stay mainly dormant until they have a cause to oppose. BLM gave them the oxygen and they turned up as anticipated. However, they do not make outrageous demands about who should be in what job and they haven't insisted on everybody and their granny making one armed Nazi salutes to compete with 'taking the knee'.
I think they are seen mainly as a bunch of misfits who have a demo from time to time as a protest, then go back to their 'normal' lives.
In short, they are not trying to overwhelm the UK with their doctrination, which cannot be said the same of BLM, Extinction Rebellion and the left leaning nutters.
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As I've said before Steve, the rabble rousing right stay mainly dormant until they have a cause to oppose. BLM gave them the oxygen and they turned up as anticipated. However, they do not make outrageous demands about who should be in what job and they haven't insisted on everybody and their granny making one armed Nazi salutes to compete with 'taking the knee'.
I think they are seen mainly as a bunch of misfits who have a demo from time to time as a protest, then go back to their 'normal' lives.
In short, they are not trying to overwhelm the UK with their doctrination, which cannot be said the same of BLM, Extinction Rebellion and the left leaning nutters.
Really , you surprise me .

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The rabble rousing right have been sussed by the law abiding citizens as being a small group of extremists who cannot and will not gain any ground in our democratic system.
They can make no demands as they have no support.
This is borne out at any local or National elections whether they attach themselves to NF, BNP, EDF or whatever. They usually lose their deposit.
They are the ones who get 'kettled' when they protest in London by Plod with full riot gear.

The loony left however have the easy ride. They attach themselves to BLM or Extinction rebellion where the PC brigade knows what they are about but dare not rock the boat and in certain sections actually support them.
This is where you see dancing plod or on a skateboard or inept plod doing nothing as statues are damaged. Even worse, the supposed non-political plod being ordered to take a knee, which is supporting a cause which has been taken over by anarchists.
There is an imbalance in the UK but unfortunately despite all the rhetoric, it isn't caused by white nutters in small numbers on the right.
A black criminal was murdered 4000 miles away in a country very much having racial divides and it led to mass protests over here and the forming of a left wing protest group with numerous demands.
Last weekend a black bloke murdered 3 white men in Reading and it only just made the news. There were no mass demonstrations, acts of violence or criminal damage.
That is because no-one was trying to hijack the situation and we are tolerant, sometimes to the extreme given those circumstances.
Now turn the hypothetical tables. Three black men are murdered in Reading by a white bloke. The riots would still be going on.
The danger to our democracy and society is from the left, not the right, but they are all nutters.
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Re: Black Lives Matter

BLM is a far left wing organisation which is extremely well funded

by extremely well I mean to the tune of several hundred million pounds last year

Some of their views are extreme such as defunding the police and disbanding the concept of a family as we understand it. and replacing it with a commune based system

I am 100% supportive of their existence in a society of free speech and freedom of beliefs but I am 100% against the use of their wealth and power to suppress free speech in others and their willingness to support criminal and violent behaviour by their "followers"

VERY few BLM supporters understand what this political group really stand for

Stage one of waking the f##k up is understanding BLM is a powerful far left political movement who as a tiny percentage of their overall goal, focus on issues related directly to the oppression of black people by the state. They have no interest in black people being killed in other environments and they are not just a hash tag

If you want a counter argument to BLM just post this link

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/inve...-timpa-s-life/


So what would the response be to a far right group called "white lives matter" protesting & rioting as a result of the above incident?

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