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Old 2nd October 2020, 12:19   #11 (permalink)
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I have been surprised over the last few years that giving chicken carcasses a chlorine bath was the biggest issue for anti-US imports campaigners. On the whole it is pretty inconsequential, and a side show to the bigger picture: hormones and antibiotics. Now, there is a subject you can really get your teeth into, if you will excuse the pun. After all, it is common in UK for shop bought salads, for example, to be washed in chlorine - that does not seem to bother anyone. Rather than question what is washing the outside of the meat to kill germs, you should look at what is in the meat that might be hurting you.

Problems come with this, that as soon as you begin questioning USA practices, you have to look at British practices too; if you feed dead bodies of fish and animals to other animals that are not natural carnivores, and then eat them yourself, are you not asking for trouble?

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You are right Ian, about looking at our own Practices, which aren't ideal eg use of antibiotics in animals etc .... but we are continually learning and now demanding better, with farmers and consumers having suffered the hard way with Creutzfeldt Jakob disease (mad cow) feeding animals feed to natural carnivores.

So why should we go Backward .... By even considering in the Brexit US UK trade deal to lowering standard further as a concession to get a deal...... with a Country the US that in sections of it's own Food Industry uses both Industrial and Chemical methods to get the cheapest product to market, lower in standard than our own.......... eg pumping three times more antibiotics than us, to keep in some cases the animal artificially alive for market ...

Also the US use the agent Ractopamine, which our own producers would have to compete against or lower standards by using it. As they would have to Compete against Ractopamine which enhances the look of meat, making it artificially look lean so healthy looking attractive enough for consumers to buy over the un-enhanced product ... but is banned in 160 countries as unfit for human consumption due to its link to heart problems.

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Not sure it is that simple. For example, humans are the only species that routinely drinks the mothers milk of another species. Whatever the cow has been fed or injected with is coming right to your glass. UK standards are, I think, pretty good, but here is one way to contaminate across the species barrier. Putting to one side the animal welfare issues around dairy produce, one could easily make a case to stop drinking milk just on health grounds.

It is not just about African hunters eating Bush Meat (monkeys).

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That would be true for milk save it is one of the most rigorously tested products around, the quality control is phenomenal.leave the EU and lower standards is a recipe for disaster.
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FFS we would all starve to death if we examined ALL items of food. There's court cases going on in France & elsewhere over pesticides being used on crops that have proven links to cancer. There's been multi million $ settlement in the US over the same pesticide usage.
"Free range" is not the same "free range" of 50 years back........the world needs feeding. If we relied on eggs from chickens running freely around a farmyard, we wouldn't be seeing eggs on the shops shelves.
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FFS we would all starve to death if we examined ALL items of food. There's court cases going on in France & elsewhere over pesticides being used on crops that have proven links to cancer. There's been multi million $ settlement in the US over the same pesticide usage.
"Free range" is not the same "free range" of 50 years back........the world needs feeding. If we relied on eggs from chickens running freely around a farmyard, we wouldn't be seeing eggs on the shops shelves.
Your post certainly illustrates without doubt why we should not countenance any further relaxation in food standads, it seems to demonstrate that we, collectively, need higher standards.
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We as individuals can decide to buy or not buy a product & that doesn't just apply to food.
Are supermarkets going to risk losing punters because of chlorinated chicken on it shelves?
For years now the likes of Italy & Greece have complained about fake pasta & olive oil flooding their markets. Those are just two of the highlighted items coming into Europe that arrive with no checks.
Not forgetting though, the threat of a no trade deal between the US/UK rules out chicken or is it a case of no trade deal but we will have your chlorinated chicken lol
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We as individuals can decide to buy or not buy a product & that doesn't just apply to food.
Are supermarkets going to risk losing punters because of chlorinated chicken on it shelves?
For years now the likes of Italy & Greece have complained about fake pasta & olive oil flooding their markets. Those are just two of the highlighted items coming into Europe that arrive with no checks.
Not forgetting though, the threat of a no trade deal between the US/UK rules out chicken or is it a case of no trade deal but we will have your chlorinated chicken lol
There is a world of difference between counterfeit goods and lowering food hygiene standards deliberately , one does not make the other ok.

Are you ok with lower standards of food quality ?, it seems like you are.
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There is a world of difference between counterfeit goods and lowering food hygiene standards deliberately , one does not make the other ok.

Are you ok with lower standards of food quality ?, it seems like you are.
What lower standards of food quality? Are you meaning chlorinated chicken?
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We as individuals can decide to buy or not buy a product & that doesn't just apply to food.
Are supermarkets going to risk losing punters because of chlorinated chicken on it shelves?
For years now the likes of Italy & Greece have complained about fake pasta & olive oil flooding their markets. Those are just two of the highlighted items coming into Europe that arrive with no checks.
Not forgetting though, the threat of a no trade deal between the US/UK rules out chicken or is it a case of no trade deal but we will have your chlorinated chicken lol
You can only base a decision on known facts ....how many shoppers would know if the meat they bought had US Ractopamine in it ?

Even if labeled in the ingredient list who would know what what US Ractopamine is?

All they would see is what would seem like healthy Lean meat ractopamine enhanced competitively priced against un-enhanced meat streaked with natural fat .....

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You can only base a decision on known facts ....how many shoppers would know if the meat they bought had US Ractopamine in it ?

Or even if labeled know what what US Ractopamine is?

All they would see is what would seem like healthy Lean meat ractopamine enhanced competitively priced against un-enhanced meat streaked with natural fat .....
Can you give us a specific example of substandard food currently & knowingly
being imported into the UK?
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We as individuals can decide to buy or not buy a product & that doesn't just apply to food.
Are supermarkets going to risk losing punters because of chlorinated chicken on it shelves?
For years now the likes of Italy & Greece have complained about fake pasta & olive oil flooding their markets. Those are just two of the highlighted items coming into Europe that arrive with no checks.
Not forgetting though, the threat of a no trade deal between the US/UK rules out chicken or is it a case of no trade deal but we will have your chlorinated chicken lol
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You can only base a decision on known facts ....how many shoppers would know if the meat they bought had US Ractopamine in it ?

Even if labeled in the ingredient list who would know what what US Ractopamine is?

All they would see is what would seem like healthy Lean meat ractopamine enhanced competitively priced against un-enhanced meat streaked with natural fat .....
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Can you give us a specific example of substandard food currently & knowingly
being imported into the UK?

Can you explain how the new question is relative to my post answering you on how decisions are based ???? .........some unkind soul might think the post with new question is just a habitual distraction ....

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