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Old 1st October 2020, 13:31   #1 (permalink)
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Food standards

I know that some people are concerned about US food standards coming to the UK post Br****, such as chlorinated chicken. I thought it would be useful to have somewhere to discuss it.

I love this one, Subway do not use bread in their sandwiches
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-is-not-bread
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Old 1st October 2020, 14:37   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Food standards

Generally I found USDA meat standards to be fine, the problem I think isnt the quality of the birds, it is that they can be chlorine washed during processing, in itself not a hazard, but the worry is that knowing there is a chlorine wash, breeders could become lapse in their hygene standards, basically the best method is prevent fowl hygiene problems at source rather than solve it at a later date.
If I have this right then I agree with the ban.

Subway "bread" is a strange beast, but so are the buns McD's use, I rarely use either so I demur to the more experienced.

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A judge ruled that there was too much sugar in the subway bread so it cannot be classified as such to be exempt from vat.
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Re: Food standards

Like Mollag said, its not the chlorine wash that is the main problem as some pre-packed salads here in the UK are, ... with chlorine diluted to a standard.

The problem is the reason and need for the Chickens to be chlorinated in the first place , to rid germs accumulated due to the conditions and the health standards of how the chickens were reared ,in industrial complexes rather than farms.






The bacon or the sausage do you want the meat from pigs to be reared and given a product banned in 160 other countries deeming it unfit for human consumption. Ractopamine an animal feed additive used to promote leanness. Used in the US.


Hormone and antibiotic fed meat may taste nice and look healthy, its artificially enhanced to look so for the public.... but the next time you are in hospital and there is a MRSA outbreak or you have a condition needing antibiotics , don't be surprised the antibiotics don't work as well or may end up useless .

If you want your meat grown in pens and feed and inoculated under artificial light in industrial US farming complexes instead of being it being raised great it is for you.....



Your sausage roll could soon have a new ingredient… ractopamine-dosed pork from the US & Brazil

America uses three times more antibiotics in producing their livestock than the EU ....


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When we used to drive across sad arabia from Kuwait to Bodrum we could never eat the bread/rolls in sad arabia, always too sweet
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Re: Food standards

I have been surprised over the last few years that giving chicken carcasses a chlorine bath was the biggest issue for anti-US imports campaigners. On the whole it is pretty inconsequential, and a side show to the bigger picture: hormones and antibiotics. Now, there is a subject you can really get your teeth into, if you will excuse the pun. After all, it is common in UK for shop bought salads, for example, to be washed in chlorine - that does not seem to bother anyone. Rather than question what is washing the outside of the meat to kill germs, you should look at what is in the meat that might be hurting you.

Problems come with this, that as soon as you begin questioning USA practices, you have to look at British practices too; if you feed dead bodies of fish and animals to other animals that are not natural carnivores, and then eat them yourself, are you not asking for trouble?

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I have been surprised over the last few years that giving chicken carcasses a chlorine bath was the biggest issue for anti-US imports campaigners. On the whole it is pretty inconsequential, and a side show to the bigger picture: hormones and antibiotics. Now, there is a subject you can really get your teeth into, if you will excuse the pun. After all, it is common in UK for shop bought salads, for example, to be washed in chlorine - that does not seem to bother anyone. Rather than question what is washing the outside of the meat to kill germs, you should look at what is in the meat that might be hurting you.

Problems come with this, that as soon as you begin questioning USA practices, you have to look at British practices too; if you feed dead bodies of fish and animals to other animals that are not natural carnivores, and then eat them yourself, are you not asking for trouble?

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Isn't that how bird flu started? Meat in chicken feed
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And the rest! BSE, for example, was same issue. I read an article recently setting out the way diseases have jumped species and caused global illnesses because dead bodies are fed to other species.

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And the rest! BSE, for example, was same issue. I read an article recently setting out the way diseases have jumped species and caused global illnesses because dead bodies are fed to other species.

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When you lower and accept these profit based low hygiene standards , this is what the results can be expected.
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When you lower and accept these profit based low hygiene standards , this is what the results can be expected.
Not sure it is that simple. For example, humans are the only species that routinely drinks the mothers milk of another species. Whatever the cow has been fed or injected with is coming right to your glass. UK standards are, I think, pretty good, but here is one way to contaminate across the species barrier. Putting to one side the animal welfare issues around dairy produce, one could easily make a case to stop drinking milk just on health grounds.

It is not just about African hunters eating Bush Meat (monkeys).

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