LivingInTheSun

Hi

Toto, is a Terrior cross. He is a street dog but has been "adopted" by a couple near us. Frank and Sally look after lots of dogs and poor Sally's purse wont stretch to another. They already look after after 4 street dogs as well as their huge Mastive Barney and desparately need a home for this lovely natured dog. He is roughly 8 months old but is very mature for a dog of that age. Yesterday he was beaten up by a pack of dogs and we think has lost an eye. We took him to the vet and he corrected the eye as best he could. It is now well on the way to healing. We will pay for Toto to be castrated in about a weeks time.

Please, does anybody know of anyone OR would you be willing to take this dog in. He is loving, gentle natured and just wants to be loved. He is a little unsure of being "in" a house so would be happy to be outside in a comfy kennel maybe.

Please PM us or better still text or call me on 05387 402498 (Turkcell)

There is also a gorgeous puppy who is laying outside our house. He has just appeared from somewhere. Roughly 3 months old. Looks like an Alsation cross. (But I think he will be a little smaller fully grown than an Alsation). I cannot sit and watch him starve outside the house so have fed, and watered him. Washed a cut leg this morning for him as well. Again I think he would be happy to be in a kennel outside which would be better than the life he has now :-(. He is definiately young enough to be trained well.
Again I am willing to help with his castration when he is old enough.


I dont want "either" of these dogs to go to homes where they will be "tied up" or left all day though. So please dont put forward anybody unless you are absolutely sure that they will be looked after well. Sorry to sound harsh.

Please get back to me if you can help. Tel 05387 402498 (Turkcell)


Thank you
Lorraine

Gail

Oh Lorraine this is so sad. Lorraine have you been to speak with Carley, she works up at the The Ranch, her and her mum Lorraine do lots to help the dogs in Turgutreis. You can contact Lorraine through the Phoenix restaurant, she may have some suggestions for you. It must be so hard, I hope you find homes for them.

We are over on 3 November but only for 10 days, we will see you then.

Bryan Sargent

hi,
i love dogs why dont Turkey do something about them?
if they cant sort out the dogs then i dont hold much faith in thier human treatment.

angry bryan

LivingInTheSun

I agree Bryan and thanks Gail for your lovely message. Yes thats a good idea I will contact Carly. I dont want either of them really going to the Countryranch though. Id rather them be where they are gonna be fed and we can keep an eye on them. I dont wanna just run them there and forget about them like some do.

The pup is still outside the house, now with blanket, treats and Im cooking him baked potato, pasta and chicken stock at the moment! I know I shouldnt have but what on earth can you do.

I really wish there was some organisation like the RSPCA in Turkey that cared for Animals in a more humane way :-( They are helpless and defenseless. They just want to be loved.

If anybody thinks of anybody that might like them, please contact me. Im willing to help with bus fare, castration etc.

See you in November Gail. Please do look us up x

lewismark

Lorraine
It looks like all your time now as an animal lover is going to be dedicated to rescueing all the dogs in Turkey, and as has been said, it is a pity they dont show some care and feeling towards these dogs and the cats

Totally agree Bryan seeing how they treat them and poison them makes you wonder how much they value humans.
Dont think we should get onto that topic on this thread but may make an interesting debate in the padded room.

Good luck Lorraine with your quest as thats what it seems to be turning into for you.

madturkishcow

Whilst this obviously seems to be a problem up there in Altinkum we do not have the same problem in Fethiye. There is an organisation in Turkiye and we are lucky enough to have one near us at Çatlik. They are affiliated to the WSPA and RSPCA International.

http://www.straydogsturkey.org/helpanimals.php

90 252 613 5825 or 90 252 612 5730

They carry out a neuter and return programme which involves them visiting villages and collecting up the dogs They are then taken to the centre to be neutered,vaccinated and returned to where they were collected from.

I have visited there a few times now for various reasons (they treated my keş before I decided to have him put down) and again to choose my three kitties. The staff are wonderful dedicated people and the whole place has a serenity about it.

The problem is that the Turks are muslim and treat animals as animals.A Turk very rarely owns a dog as a pet because of the fear of Rabies. There is little point in attempting to educate the Turks to become a nation of animal lovers, but they are more receptive of dogs that have been treated and tagged by the centre and are therefore Rabies free.

Lorraine as much as I applaud your efforts in looking after the puppy outside your home, as you have no intention of keeping him are you not giving him false hope? The pup has by now began to rely on you and you are desperately seeking a home for him. Hard as it may seem and please let us be hard hearted, cruel even but at the end of the day sensible and have him humanely put to sleep.

Before you all accuse me of being a hard hearted bitch you couldn't be further from the truth. I moved here with my ex boyfriends bulldog. I was given a pup as a present from some stupid besotted fool and was quite happy to have a two dog household.

Before long a stray Alsation cross started visiting and feeling how Lorraine felt, I started feeding 'Blodwyn'. The next thing I knew I had a garden full of stray dogs, couldn't get to the front door without being jumped up at and mauled and the whole situation became a nightmare. Eventually the dogs went except one who I called 'Sprinkles'.

She became pregnant and just before I left for the UK I was told she had given birth to six pups. As she lived in the house at the bottom of my garden I thought she would bring the pups to see me. On my return from the UK ı noticed she wasn't about. I went to FHDD to choose some kittens and walking around spotted 'Sprinkles' with one pup.

The staff told me she had been found with all her pups on the side of the road. I told them what I knew about her owner and they just shrugged their shoulders. I wanted to bring her and her pup home but commonsense prevailed and I knew that if her owner saw her back in the village he would kill her and her pup one way or another.

So, I left her there because I knew that with some luck she would go to someone who wanted her and her pup hopefully too would find a loving family. Walking away from her, broke my heart but for her sake it had to be done.

Turkey is not the UK. We cannot apply the same standards and beliefs towards animals as we would at home. If we are honest the Uk treats its animals far better than it treats its humans.

I find the points raised by Bryan and Lewismark regarding the value of humans here in Turkiye,unjustified, unfair and unreasonable. As far as I can recall, there has been nothing in Turkiye along the lines of 'Maria Caldwell',or even more recent 'Victoria Climbie'.

mkc

immac

MTC - nice post, except for one point - it is not rabies alone, but religion that causes the issue. The reason dogs are treated with such disdain is linked to the view of them being 'unclean'. To miss this point is a fundamental error for people who castigate the Turks for the way they look after animals. It is a cultural issue deeply linked into religion. To illustrate the point I have found a quote on a web site which gives advice to muslims on this issue: (http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...d=1119503547226)
QUOTE:
In his response to your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

“A dog can be owned for purposes such as the following:

1. A trained dog for hunting. Remember in Islam we are only allowed to hunt for food; there is no such thing as hunting for fun, for we are not allowed to kill or torture animals or drive them out of their habitats for the fun of it.

2. A trained dog as a guide. This would be the case if a person is blind and he/she has no choice but to keep a dog for essential services. In this case, it is permissible for him/her to keep a dog inside the house once it has been trained for service, but it is still recommended that the dog have its own sleeping arrangement.

3. A dog trained for police duties.

4. A guard dog to guard houses or property.

5. A dog used by farmers to shepherd cattle and sheep.

We are, however, not allowed to keep a dog as a pet, since it is not a very clean animal. How often have you come across the nasty sight of dogs taken for a walk licking their own excrement? Isn’t it disgusting to see their owners kissing the mouth of such animals after such incidents as if nothing happened? Would you kiss the mouth of your own baby if he were to do the same? Think how many parasites and microbes may be hiding in their mouths.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has spared us from being contaminated by such filth when he ordered us to stay clear of the saliva of dogs. If we ever come into contact with a dog’s saliva we must wash the spot seven times, the first of which should be with sand or dirt. It is also possible to use a bacterial soap instead of sand or dirt.

In conclusion: Don’t contemplate taking a dog home as a pet. If, however, you do need to keep a dog for any of the reasons given above, then you may do so. But take every precaution not to have contact with its saliva, and also arrange for a separate living space.”

Ian

Pennie

Jenny and Immac
I agree with both of you.
As you know we now have 5 dogs and enough is enough.
I agree that the treatment of the strays may seem harsh, but it has always been this way. WE MOVED HERE.
As for the ammount of strays at the moment, again, that appears to be the foreigners fault.
I was told that before so many brits moved into this area, during the winter the local council culled the street dogs and cats to keep the numbers down.
The brits caused such a stink over this practice it was halted.

They also do the neutering and tagging in Altinkum, but there are so many dogs, it is an on going battle.

As for the RSPCA in UK, yes, they do a fantastic job and I have nothing for admiration for them, but they will only keep strays for a certain period of time before they are put to sleep.
Sometimes I think euthanasia is the kindest option.

Pennie xx

Susan

Ian I have never seen a dog licking or eating its own excrement, I am a farmer’s daughter and have been in contact with animals, cows, sheep, pigs, goats, horses cats and dogs since the moment I was born, and have never caught anything off them.

Obviously this message you have written is the way you feel about our canine friends, that is OK it is the way you feel.

A dog is not a dirty animal, some people love them some people don’t.

I would not keep a dog if it could not be part of the family and I hate to see them chained up outside all day, what life is this for them, I also think it is cruel.

Susan