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Old 12th May 2012, 08:13   #1 (permalink)
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Poshu scarf - what is the significance?

There is a piece in todays online Hurriyet Daily News about a young man being sentenced to 11 years in jail for wearing a 'poshu scarf'. What is the significance of this type of scarf - and how on earth can it lead to a prison sentence???!!!
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Old 12th May 2012, 08:18   #2 (permalink)
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TURKEY - Student remains in jail for poshu scarf
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Old 12th May 2012, 08:54   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Poshu scarf - what is the significance?

The boy was accused of committing a robbery with a group of other youths who were disguising themselves by wearing poshu scarves over their faces.
There was a secret witness who testified against the accused, and the judge found the witness credible and sentenced the boy to 11 years for robbery/attempted robbery. The wider public seem to be questioning the legitimacy of the trial because the evidence is weak and circumstantial, and the general public seem to feel uncomfortable about the secret witness statement (and question whether it really was credible).
Without the secret witness the only link between the crime and this young boy is the fact that he was walking near the shop which was robbed wearing a poshu scarf.


I think this sentence and the trial show just how Turkey's judiciary is slipping backwards in terms of fair trial. I read yesterday that 1/5 generals are now imprisoned.

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Re: Poshu scarf - what is the significance?

he's been sentenced to 11 years prison on the testimony of a 'secret' witness..an absolute travesty of justice.
The poşu scarf is worn by many kurds as well as arabs...in this case he has probably been alleged to have PKK connections...but with a 'secret witness' is the road that Turkey is goi ng down.
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...but with a 'secret witness' is the road that Turkey is goi ng down.
Well brace yourself, because UK is well on the way down this particular road. British courts can have evidence presented that the accused can not see, or know about, or know who is accusing.

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Well brace yourself, because UK is well on the way down this particular road. British courts can have evidence presented that the accused can not see, or know about, or know who is accusing.

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I was just about to post something along those lines, and we have been through the whole thing about young people wearing Hoodie's and face coverings.
Most people on this forum argue on other threads that nothing covering the face should be allowed.
Interesting how people view things when the mirror's turned.
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Re: Poshu scarf - what is the significance?

People shouldn't be allowed to cover their faces in public Lara, and no one has suggested that is acceptable in this circumstance, so which people on this thread are you accusing of 'seeing things differently when the mirror is turned'?

This boy was wearing a poshu scarf; and I read that to mean that he was wearing it in either the traditional way (as farmers do, on top of their heads, or more likely in the fashion way (as a loose fitting scarf). As far as I can see he wasn't arrested because it was covering his face. That seems to be the reason why there's so much controversy surrounding the case.


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i didnt know that İan...is it to do with National Security
a poşi scarf is not a face covering...its a head dress worn particularly by Arabs
and Kurds i dont see where face covering comes into this

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Re: Poshu scarf - what is the significance?

According to various articles he has actually been convicted of being a member of a terrorist organisation and damaging property - no robbery took place. Some articles state Molotov cocktails were thrown at an empty store, the article below claims it was a grocery store but doesn't state whether it was operating or not.

TURKEY - Student remains in jail for poshu scarf


The court unanimously voted against the prosecutor’s request to release and acquit Kırmızıgül, who has been jailed pending trial for 20 months, on the grounds that criminal suspicion about the student was still valid. Kırmızıgül is on trial for being a suspected member in the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK.
Kırmızıgül, a junior industrial engineering student at Istanbul’s Galatasaray University, has appeared five times before the court since a secret witness testified against him. Kırmızıgül was taken into custody for wearing a poshu scarf on Feb. 20, 2010, when a group of unidentified individuals also wearing poshu scarves attacked an empty grocery store with Molotov cocktails in the same area.


According to the above article, the PROSECUTOR asked the courts for an aquittal, which was denied. Does anyone else find this strange? Isn't it usually the prosecutor which brings the case?

Also, depending on reports the perpetrators of the crime were either wearing a poshu or covering their faces with a poshu.
The accused (the only one to be convicted from a group) was attending Galatasary University which I believe has a very good reputation.

I think there must be more to this case, but what is worrying is the lack of information regarding the evidence against him being a member of a terrorist organisation - there are numerous youths in prison under the same charge.

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Well I have put my tablecloths away for the summer.
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