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Old 7th February 2017, 20:51   #1 (permalink)
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Legal Responsibilities of Site Inspectors

Looking for some info re above. We have 2 site inspectors- 1 Turkish and 1 European. I am aware of the role and responsibilities under Turkish Condo Law but my question surrounds whether each inspector HAS to provide a report for the agm OR whether it has to be a joint report with both inspectors being signatories. The question surrounds a situation where there is real differences between our inspectors- there is strong suspicion of one being in the pocket of the site manager.
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Presumably the Site Manager was appointed by the AGM and the Inspectors report to him in which case is it not the Site Manager who reports to the AGM
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Presumably the Site Manager was appointed by the AGM and the Inspectors report to him in which case is it not the Site Manager who reports to the AGM
Don't think so Chinook. My understanding is that the site inspector /auditor is appointed by and at the agm and the role is to report back to the next AGM re how the site management has performed re their legal responsibilities under Turkish Condo Law ie the inspector reports to the owners and has a legal responsibility to furnish a report to them at the AGM.
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Don't think so Chinook. My understanding is that the site inspector /auditor is appointed by and at the agm and the role is to report back to the next AGM re how the site management has performed re their legal responsibilities under Turkish Condo Law ie the inspector reports to the owners and has a legal responsibility to furnish a report to them at the AGM.
You have me confused as the requirement in Article 34 is to appoint one person as Manager who has overall responsibility and he can have a committee(board) who assist him . He manages for 12 months and reports back to the AGM. This is how our Site operates. Where do your site inspector/auditors and site manager fit into this scenario and who has ultimate responsibility.
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You have me confused as the requirement in Article 34 is to appoint one person as Manager who has overall responsibility and he can have a committee(board) who assist him . He manages for 12 months and reports back to the AGM. This is how our Site operates. Where do your site inspector/auditors and site manager fit into this scenario and who has ultimate responsibility.
What about the requirements of Article 41? The site manager has many responsibilities which he is legally required to undertake- the site inspector (s) have legal responsibilities to monitor the site manager performance and methods. Auditing of income and expenditure transactions are one of the key responsibilities of an inspector. Both are accountable to the owners who appointed them at the AGM - in my understanding.
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What about the requirements of Article 41? The site manager has many responsibilities which he is legally required to undertake- the site inspector (s) have legal responsibilities to monitor the site manager performance and methods. Auditing of income and expenditure transactions are one of the key responsibilities of an inspector. Both are accountable to the owners who appointed them at the AGM - in my understanding.
Article 41 is about auditing of the accounts and the Managers performance.Presumably it was agreed at the AGM/ by the Board of Managers that you would appoint a board of auditors (Inspectors). Its my understanding that these inspectors submit a joint report to the appointing body and a copy of the report is sent to each owner. Interestingly Article 41 suggests the appointment of 3 auditors, presumably to overcome the potential dilemma that is giving you concern. I much prefer our method of the manager answering to the owners at the AGM round the pool - it can be quite amusing particularly as the lions milk is lapped up .
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Article 41 is about auditing of the accounts and the Managers performance.Presumably it was agreed at the AGM/ by the Board of Managers that you would appoint a board of auditors (Inspectors). Its my understanding that these inspectors submit a joint report to the appointing body and a copy of the report is sent to each owner. Interestingly Article 41 suggests the appointment of 3 auditors, presumably to overcome the potential dilemma that is giving you concern. I much prefer our method of the manager answering to the owners at the AGM round the pool - it can be quite amusing particularly as the lions milk is lapped up .
Absolutel agreement here Chinook re Article 41. But this appears to contradict your post no 2 where you appear to suggest the inspector reports to the Site Manager - and I quoted Article 41 to underline why I had a different understanding ie the inspector/inspectorate do not report to / are not accountable to the site manager.

I have come across various interpretations re site management set ups - I see it a bit different from you. I do not see the site manager as having overall responsibility.Rather I see the AGM having overall responsibility
which they give delegated powers to a Board of Management or a singleton manager.to manage the site. I was on a site where there was a 3 person board of management ( owners) who in turn hired a site manager to undertake the day to day operational running of the site. The site manager was immediately accountable to the 3 person Board on that site.
It would.be interesting to hear from others how their set up operates.









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Absolutel agreement here Chinook re Article 41. But this appears to contradict your post no 2 where you appear to suggest the inspector reports to the Site Manager - and I quoted Article 41 to underline why I had a different understanding ie the inspector/inspectorate do not report to / are not accountable to the site manager.

I have come across various interpretations re site management set ups - I see it a bit different from you. I do not see the site manager as having overall responsibility.Rather I see the AGM having overall responsibility
which they give delegated powers to a Board of Management or a singleton manager.to manage the site. I was on a site where there was a 3 person board of management ( owners) who in turn hired a site manager to undertake the day to day operational running of the site. The site manager was immediately accountable to the 3 person Board on that site.
It would.be interesting to hear from others how their set up operates.
No Contradiction in my post 2 as it was a fishing expedition to better understand relationships, hence use of the word "Presumably"

No different interpretation at all to the line of responsibility. I think if you reread carefully what I have written you will see we are in accord. You will also see having found out who these inspectors are ie auditors I have responded to your main question as to number of reports and even suggested as to whom they report and sees copies of the report.
I have also pre-empted your latest question and briefly explained how our self managed site of some 44 houses operates and has done so successfully and without fuss for over 20 years.

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