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Old 27th February 2015, 17:27   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Ottomans enter Turkish elections race

The AKP election posters are being derided on twitter saying it looks like they are picking their candidates from soap operas .



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Old 27th February 2015, 17:35   #12 (permalink)
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Soaps don't have the imagination of Turkish politics
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Re: Ottomans enter Turkish elections race

Hi,

I think that some of the problem is that Turkish people have never been encouraged to think for themselves at all-only to obey their leaders.
The education system has never encouraged the questioning of the status quo.

When the hordes of Ottoman Turks streamed across Anatolia in the 14th or 15th Century they ruled the indigenous populations with a rod of iron. The empire last until early in the 20th Century. The population never questioned their rulers-there was no democracy-no questioning the power held by the Sultan etc.

When the Ottoman Empire was overthrown the country was then subjected to military rule-again there was no real democracy-no 'people' power-only a people that was expected to love their country and be totally patriotic-and obey.

Now we are back to being ruled by the 'New Ottomans' and the 'New Sultan'. Although more of the population benefits from a higher level of education the bulk of the population is still largely poorly educated.
It has never been a part of the development of Turkish society that the people question their rulers. In the UK going back at least as far as 1215 people were demanding that the ruling Monarchy should be answerable to the people. Democracy is part of the national psyche of the UK and most of Europe-although never perfect it is greatly prized. People have died in the fight to demand the rights to free speech.

It seems that parts of Turkish society have never fully matured-it still has a parent/child relationship with whichever regime is governing the country. People feel secure with a strong parent-like government-the general populace doesn't have to question things and doesn't need to worry-they feel taken care of.

I also feel that they really don't mind corruption and politicians who line their own pockets-in fact they admire them. They feel that anyone who has the opportunity to make themselves and their family rich and doesn't take it is a fool.

I know this is a generalisation but it does appear like this to me.

I feel so sorry for the young people in the big cities who have been educated and understand the concept of democracy and free speech. I really don't know how all this will end-I can't see RTE going anytime soon-I think he'll continue to flourish and create his own dynasty with his children inheriting the power he's seized.
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Re: Ottomans enter Turkish elections race

It is a rule by fear society. I have seen at first hand in board meetings of multi million pound company where the tea lady calls in at 21:00 hours to ask the CEO if it is ok for her to go home now.
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Re: Ottomans enter Turkish elections race

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Hi,

I think that some of the problem is that Turkish people have never been encouraged to think for themselves at all-only to obey their leaders.
The education system has never encouraged the questioning of the status quo.

When the hordes of Ottoman Turks streamed across Anatolia in the 14th or 15th Century they ruled the indigenous populations with a rod of iron. The empire last until early in the 20th Century. The population never questioned their rulers-there was no democracy-no questioning the power held by the Sultan etc.

When the Ottoman Empire was overthrown the country was then subjected to military rule-again there was no real democracy-no 'people' power-only a people that was expected to love their country and be totally patriotic-and obey.

Now we are back to being ruled by the 'New Ottomans' and the 'New Sultan'. Although more of the population benefits from a higher level of education the bulk of the population is still largely poorly educated.
It has never been a part of the development of Turkish society that the people question their rulers. In the UK going back at least as far as 1215 people were demanding that the ruling Monarchy should be answerable to the people. Democracy is part of the national psyche of the UK and most of Europe-although never perfect it is greatly prized. People have died in the fight to demand the rights to free speech.

It seems that parts of Turkish society have never fully matured-it still has a parent/child relationship with whichever regime is governing the country. People feel secure with a strong parent-like government-the general populace doesn't have to question things and doesn't need to worry-they feel taken care of.

I also feel that they really don't mind corruption and politicians who line their own pockets-in fact they admire them. They feel that anyone who has the opportunity to make themselves and their family rich and doesn't take it is a fool.

I know this is a generalisation but it does appear like this to me.

I feel so sorry for the young people in the big cities who have been educated and understand the concept of democracy and free speech. I really don't know how all this will end-I can't see RTE going anytime soon-I think he'll continue to flourish and create his own dynasty with his children inheriting the power he's seized.
Great post, thanks.

Also, regarding the part I highlighted, that's because most of them are at it too!!! Let's face it, in Turkey it's quite normal to take a commission on everything - from house sales, car purchases....right down to recommending 'a friend of a friend' to do a paint job or fix some iron work.

The majority can't condemn, when they're also in the game of taking a financial advantage from a situation. One of the first words you learn is 'rusvet' and it's spoken openly and naturally, without any embarrassment or guilt attached.

They've legitimised bribery as a form of work.



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