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Old 20th November 2013, 22:10   #1 (permalink)
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Clarification (and help) needed!!

I wonder if somebody can help me out here? On a Facebook group I am a member of, someone queried the whole visa and 90 in 180 days. I responded by telling people what I had read on here about the new arrangements whereby the "count back" system was now being used. (I have read where this is now the case since the amendment to the Schengen visa regulations and understand that - are Turkey applying the same principles?)

From reading stuff on here, I am (rightly or wrongly?) under the impression that the officials count back 180 days from the day you leave Turkey and check that you haven't spent more than 90 days in Turkey within that period. Again (rightly or wrongly?), I understood that it didn't matter whether this count back of 180 days was over the period of one or two visas.

I was shot down in flames about this .... can somebody clarify the situation and tell me if I have got the wrong end of the stick? Also, if I have got it right, where was the information gleaned from? I hope someone can help me as if I am right, I will need to show where I have got this information from ... and if I am wrong, then I will apologise profusely.

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Old 20th November 2013, 22:26   #2 (permalink)
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I wonder if somebody can help me out here? On a Facebook group I am a member of, someone queried the whole visa and 90 in 180 days. I responded by telling people what I had read on here about the new arrangements whereby the "count back" system was now being used. (I have read where this is now the case since the amendment to the Schengen visa regulations and understand that - are Turkey applying the same principles?)

From reading stuff on here, I am (rightly or wrongly?) under the impression that the officials count back 180 days from the day you leave Turkey and check that you haven't spent more than 90 days in Turkey within that period. Again (rightly or wrongly?), I understood that it didn't matter whether this count back of 180 days was over the period of one or two visas.

I was shot down in flames about this .... can somebody clarify the situation and tell me if I have got the wrong end of the stick? Also, if I have got it right, where was the information gleaned from? I hope someone can help me as if I am right, I will need to show where I have got this information from ... and if I am wrong, then I will apologise profusely.

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You are absolutely spot on,we were fined on leaving Turkey through this a month or so ago.

There was a ref on this in Voices about 5 weeks ago.
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Old 20th November 2013, 22:27   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Clarification (and help) needed!!

Yes it can go over 2 visas, I have a calculator that works it out if you want it PM with an email address.

check it out here...

Overstay on a 90 Day Holiday Visa - Help.
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Re: Clarification (and help) needed!!

Thank you so much for those replies. I just wish I could find an "official" link to this information ..... I got so much stick on Facebook, being told that I was absolutely wrong and it would never happen!!

Oh well, you can only tell people ... you can't force them to believe you.

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Old 20th November 2013, 23:36   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Clarification (and help) needed!!

There was something posted in 'Voices' a couple of months ago, but even that TBH I thought was still a little hard to understand.
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Thank you so much for those replies. I just wish I could find an "official" link to this information ..... I got so much stick on Facebook, being told that I was absolutely wrong and it would never happen!!

Oh well, you can only tell people ... you can't force them to believe you.

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If you search on this Forum one of the threads included a post which quoted an English Translation of an extract from the relevant law.It was this and the article below which convinced me to rethink.

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In compliance with the Decision of the Council of Ministers dated 10.10.2011, No: 2011/2306, total duration of stay of foreigners who visit Turkey as tourists cannot exceed 90 days within last 180 days period.
“süre…vize muafiyet süresi veya vizede belirtilen kalış süresi yeterli ise yabancının Türkiye'den çıktığı gün itibarıyla önceki 180 gün zarfında 90 gün olarak uygulanır”.
Thus in calculation of 180 days limit, Law no. 5683 states that; (at no time during their present stay in Turkey,) foreign visitors are permitted to exceed 90 days within previous 180 days from their date of DEPARTURE. This means in the calculation of duration of stay in Turkey, foreign visitors should look backward from their present point or from the day of their departure.
This article explains Schengens current interpretation which Turkey follows

New Schengen entry rules adopted by Switzerland, EU - GenevaLunch News

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I wonder if somebody can help me out here? On a Facebook group I am a member of, someone queried the whole visa and 90 in 180 days. I responded by telling people what I had read on here about the new arrangements whereby the "count back" system was now being used. (I have read where this is now the case since the amendment to the Schengen visa regulations and understand that - are Turkey applying the same principles?)

From reading stuff on here, I am (rightly or wrongly?) under the impression that the officials count back 180 days from the day you leave Turkey and check that you haven't spent more than 90 days in Turkey within that period. Again (rightly or wrongly?), I understood that it didn't matter whether this count back of 180 days was over the period of one or two visas.

I was shot down in flames about this .... can somebody clarify the situation and tell me if I have got the wrong end of the stick? Also, if I have got it right, where was the information gleaned from? I hope someone can help me as if I am right, I will need to show where I have got this information from ... and if I am wrong, then I will apologise profusely.

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There is no count back system and there never has been, the visa starts from the day the stamp goes into your passport and is worked out from there.
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There is no count back system and there never has been, the visa starts from the day the stamp goes into your passport and is worked out from there.
Tell that to those that have been caught out with it.

Yes the day you buy the visa you have 180 days and that is counted forward but on the day you exit they count back your days in Turkey and you only have 90 days.
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There is no count back system and there never has been, the visa starts from the day the stamp goes into your passport and is worked out from there.
Sorry but there is, please read the posts above including extracts from the Law and links .
The Visa allows you the right to stay within a period of 180 days from entry or date on your E visa but the days you can actually stay in Turkey( up to 90 days) is based on a countback system from day of departure and can overlap visas.
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There is no count back system and there never has been, the visa starts from the day the stamp goes into your passport and is worked out from there.
Altrice,

It may take some believing, but I assure you not long ago I too was saying exactly the same as yourself.

The situation we now have is, 90 days which if counted backwards from today may well be spread over two visa purchases.

And if not very careful some people could even find that with their second visa they could quite well even have as little as a couple of week (or even days) allowance on it.

Example:-
1st Visa Purchased 1st Jan which would be valid until end of June:
1st Holiday from 1st Jan to 7th Jan = (7 days)
2nd Holiday from 1st April to 17th June = (78 days)

2nd Visa Purchased on 1st July:
1st holiday from 1st July to 14th July would equal a overstay of 2 days.

"= 78 + 14 = 92" = FINED for 2 day overstay.

Obviously that is just a scenario, but if people are not careful it can happen and as we now know similar things are happening and people are now being fined and even being banned from re-entry for specified times, which when a UK citizen has been banned they then need to go through the Turkish consulate in London UK for clearance to get their next Turkish visit verified.

So you count backwards to determine how much longer you can stay, or you can count forward 'but only IF you have not been in Turkey at any time during any of the previous 90 days.

Yes, complicated or more to the point "confusing"
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