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Old 22nd January 2011, 19:57   #1 (permalink)
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Email from Turquoise committee to Artev an VT

21st January 2011
Dear Ertugrul, Betul, Serkhan Mr F Ozyer, Mr S Ozyer and Mr S Denilmez,
We are asking you all to treat this email with the respect and urgency that it
deserves.
The difficult situation at the Turquoise site is growing more and more fraught and it is in
the hands of those who created it to sort it out.
The homeowners have invested millions of British Pounds/Euros and they are left
powerless to have an effective say in how the site is managed and its finances
organised. The site is theirs, and they MUST decide and have control over the decisions
made regarding who, what and how happens on it.
The Committee is voicing the opinions of the homeowners. You will be aware that many
homeowners attended meetings in London, Manchester and also ‘on-line’ sessions
where they gave a clear UNANIMOUS direction to the Committee on the way forward.
For example, THE HOMEOWNERS said that an EXTERNAL AUDITOR be appointed to
INVESTIGATE ACCOUNTS. How can home owners be denied this basic right to see
how OUR (HOMEOWNERS) OWN MONEY IS BEING SPENT? THE SITE
MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS A TRUSTEE OF OUR MONEY AND THEY MUST
SHOW THE BOOKS TO EVERY HOMEOWNER WHEN THEY ASK. THE MONEY
BELONGS TO OWNERS AND CAN ONLY BE SPENT WITH OUR PERMISSION. WE
WERE DENIED THE PROPER ACCOUNTS AT THE FIRST AGM. HAVING AGREED
TO ‘FORGIVE’ THE FIRST YEAR AS A ‘MISTAKE’ IT IS UNBELIEVABLE THAT THIS IS STILL CONTINUING
.Recently, many owners have noted the verbal/written threats. Sometimes the threats are directed to individuals on the Committee, other times to home owners and, yet also to other rental/management companies. This attitude cannot be allowed to continue and must stop immediately. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT BY ATTACKING THE COMMITTEE YOU ARE ATTACKING THE HOME OWNERS WHO ELECTED THE COMMITTEE. PLEASE DO NOT TELL THE HOME OWNERS THAT THE COMMITTEE IS NOT LEGAL. YOUR COMPANIES WERE REPRESENTED AT THE AGM. YOU DIRECTED THE RUNNING OF THE MEETING. DID YOU PRESIDE OVER AN ILLEGAL AGM? IN THAT CASE IS THE DECISION BOOK ILLEGAL? ARE THE ACCOUNTS/BUDGET NOT APPROVED? WHY DOES IT NOT RECORD ALL THE DECISIONS THAT THE HOME OWNERS DEMOCRATICALLY PASSED AT THE AGM? THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE THE EVIDENCE AND CAN SWEAR IN ANY TURKISH COURT OF LAW WHAT WAS AGREED AT THE LAST AGM. IT IS THE HOME OWNERS DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING IGNORED.ANY DECISIONS WE COMMUNICATE TO YOU REFLECT THE FEELINGS OF THE HOMEOWNERS. WE ACT ON THEIR BEHALF AND IN TURN YOU TAKE INSTRUCTIONS/DIRECTIONS, AND DO WHAT THE HOME OWNERS REQUIRE.YOU MAY ADVISE US WHAT TO DO BUT ULTIMATELY THE HOME OWNERS WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION – IT IS THEIR MONEY YOU ARE LOOKING AFTER.
SO PLEASE STOP TRYING TO DISCREDIT PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU,
THUS YOU ENDEAVOUR TO DIVIDE THE HOME OWNERS. THIS IS WRONG AND
WILL NOT SUCCEED. IN THE END TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS.
IN ANY DEMOCRATIC SET UP, ALL PARTIES MUST BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS
THEIR OPINIONS WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING THREATENED. EVEN IF THAT VIEW
IS NOT YOURS, IT MUST REMAIN THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO.
PLEASE DO REMEMBER THAT MANY HOME OWNERS WE KNOW HAVE WORKED
HARD TO PURCHASE A DREAM HOME. THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY RICH
PEOPLE. THEY WANT A WARM WELCOMING ‘HOME’. MANY FEEL TERRIBLY LET
DOWN WITH THEIR EXPERIENCE AND WOULD SELL UP IF THEY COULD – JUST
TO GET THEIR MONEY BACK. MANY DO NOT WANT TO RETURN TO TURKEY
BECAUSE OF THEIR EXPERIENCE AT TURQUOISE. TO THEM THAT IS HOW
TURKEY IS – THEIR EXPERIENCE AT TURQUOISE. THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE TO
GO BY. WHAT AN EXPERIENCE - WHAT A ‘HOME’ AND WHAT AN ‘INVESTMENT’ –
IS THIS HOW YOU WANT THEM TO SEE YOUR COUNTRY? ARE YOU SINCERELY DELIGHTED WITH HOW TURQUOISE IS RUN AND MANAGED? IS THAT THE BEST AND HONOURABLE WAY TO PROMOTE TURKEY TO THE WORLD? DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAMAGE IT WILL DO TO YOUR COMPANY IF THE BRITISH MEDIA, DUTCH MEDIA, THE POLITICIANS AND DIPLOMATIC CONNECTIONS, THE PROPERTY COMPANIES THAT PROMOTE YOUR RESORTS ETC. ARE ACTIVELY ADVISED OF OUR HOME OWNERS EXPERIENCES. THIS MAY BEGIN SOONER THAN ONE IMAGINES POSSIBLE.
MANY OWNERS STRUGGLE TO PAY THEIR MAINTENANCE FEES, OFTEN NOT
KNOWING WHAT FACILITIES WILL BE THERE WHEN THEY (OR THEIR GUESTS) ARRIVE. MAY WE SUGGEST THAT ALL OF YOU RECEIVING THIS EMAIL VISIT THE TURQUOISE SITE, IN ORDER TO CHECK AND REPORT BACK TO HOMEOWNERS WITH YOUR FINDINGS. PALM TREES HAVE BEEN UPROOTED BUT WHERE HAVE THEY GONE? DAYLIGHT ROBBERY? FOR A LONG TIME WE HAD AN INDOOR POOL WITHOUT WATER, HAMMAM WITH NO HEAT, GYM WITH NO EQUIPMENT OR AIR CONDITIONING. COUNT YOURSELF LUCKY THAT YOUR VILLA /APARTMENT IS STILL IN ONE PIECE. SORRY THOUGH THAT SOME FURNITURE HAS GONE MISSING AND LOCKS CHANGED SO THE OWNER CANNOT USE HIS PROPERTY. THAT’S FINE, ISN’T IT? YOU NEED THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY’S PERMISSION TO ENTER YOUR PROPERTY. WELCOME TO BODRUM GOLF RESORT WHERE OWNERS’ ONLY RIGHT IS TO PAY MAINTENANCE FEES – ALL OTHERS RIGHTS BELONG TO THE SELLERS AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY WHO ARE SOLELY APPOINTED BY THE SALES COMPANY. AND BY THE WAY, THE SALES COMPANY WILL CHARGE EXTRA TO REPAIR YOUR SEWAGE PIPES THAT OVERFLOW WITH SEWAGE INTO YOUR GARDEN,
ALTHOUGH IT IS A CONSTRUCTION PROBLEM. IS THIS ALL REALLY HAPPENING IN REAL LIFE AT TURQUOISE, OR ARE WE EXPERIENCING A NIGHTMARE SCENE? THIS IS WHAT A FIVE STAR RESORT IS IN PRACTICE AT TURQUOISE. INCIDENTALLY, EXPECT THE PROPERTY TO BE DAMP, HUMID AND PEELING PAINT IN THE FIRST YEAR TO STOP YOU STAYING THERE. IS THIS THE SECOND NIGHTMARE OR IS IT REAL? BETTER GET USED TO IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIVE STAR TURQUOISE GOLF RESORT WE PROMISED YOU IN LONDON, MANCHESTER, HOLLAND AND BELGIUM. TRUST US…………….WE DON’T CARE
THE COMMITTEE IS THE MESSENGER. IF YOU TRY TO SHOOT THE
MESSENGER, THE PROBLEM WILL STILL REMAIN. THE COMMITTEE IS MADE
UP OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS WHOSE MAIN FOCUS IS TO MAKE THE SITE AND ITS FINANCES TRANSPARENT. THEY ARE CARING INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO DELIVER ON THE TRUST THE HOME OWNERS HAVE PUT IN THEM IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE SITE IS VERY WELL MANAGED, THAT GIVES VALUE FOR MONEY AND RESPONDS TO OWNERS NEEDS AND DEMANDS. THEY LISTEN TO OWNERS. THE COMMITTEE IS EXTREMELY DETERMINED TO ENSURE THAT THEY DO NOT LET DOWN THE HOME OWNERS. THE HOME OWNERS’ HAVE PLACED THEIR TRUST AND THEIR ASPIRATIONS IN US TO HELP ACHIEVE A WELL MANAGED AND FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE SITE, AND THAT AIM REMAINS PARAMOUNT. THEY WILL NOT SHY AWAY FROM THIS RESPONSIBILITY.YOU HAVE A CHOICE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DRAG THIS OUT WHICH COULD RESULT IN PARALLEL COURT CASES IN THE UK AND TURKEY, WE CAN INVITE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA TO REPORT ON PROCEEDINGS AND VISIT OTHER SITES TO DO THEIR INVESTIGATIVE WORK AND CHECK OUT THE FACTS. THE UK AND EUROPEAN AUTHORITIES WOULD CERTAINLY BE VERY INVOLVED AND INTERESTED IN THEIR CITIZENS PLIGHT AS THE INITIAL SALES AND MARKETING WAS DONE ON THEIR SOIL AND SUBJECT TO THEIR REGULATIONS.THE FOCUS CAN ALSO BE DIRECTED AT THE LEGALITY OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, ITS ’FAIRNESS’ AND TO CHECK WHETHER IT COMPLIES WITH THE TURKISH CONDOMINIUM LAW. IT CAN ALSO EXAMINE HOW THE WATER IS SOLD TO THEM AT A HIGHER PRICE. LOOK AT THE MANY STATEMENTS SIGNED BY HOME OWNERS OF THEIR SORRY PLIGHTS ON THE SITE, OVERCHARGING OF ELECTRICITY, AND MUCH MORE……………
ALTERNATIVELY YOU MAY WISH TO CONSIDER 2 QUICKER, CHEAPER
OPTIONS:
THE ONLY WAY FORWARD AT TURQUOISE SITE IS AS FOLLOWS:
1. TO APPOINT AN IMPARTIAL, EXTERNAL AUDITOR TO REVIEW THE ACCOUNTS.
THIS MUST BE CARRIED OUT WITHOUT INTERFERENCE AND IN FULL
COOPERATION, FROM ALL CONCERNED. THE EXTERNAL AUDITOR
WOULD BE SELECTED BY THE HOME OWNERS IN WHOM THEY HAVE
COMPLETE TRUST. THIS MUST BE FUNDED BY HOME OWNERS
MAINTENANCE FEES AND THE AUDIT COMPLETED PRIOR TO AGM -TO BE
HELD SOME TIME IN APRIL/MAY 2011, WITH A DATE AGREED WITH HOME
OWNERS IN ADVANCE.
2. THAT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THAT HOME
OWNERS HAVE ULTIMATE CONTROL AND CHOICE OF WHO IS APPOINTED
AS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY. IT IS AFTER ALL THE OWNERS WHO
PAY THE MAINTENANCE FEES AND THEY MUST CONTROL THEIR SITE –
NO CONTROL, NO FEES.
WE LOOOK FORWARD, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DELAY, TO YOUR FULL,
SYMPATHETIC AND PRACTICAL SOLUTION TO HOW YOU WILL SORT OUT THIS UNPLEASANT SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE CREATED. WE ALL CAME TO TURKEY WITH LOVE, AND SINCERELY TRUST THAT OUR LOVE OF THE
COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE, WILL AGAIN BURN BRIGHT IN OUR HEARTS AND MIND, ALWAYS.
TURQUOISE SUPERVISORY COMMITTEE (ON BEHALF OF TURQUOISE HOME
OWNERS).
Please note that this e-mail will be distributed to all homeowners.
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Old 22nd January 2011, 20:33   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Email from Turquoise committee to Artev an VT

Hi Redlady

Its always the first step in stalling everyone - declare the committee is not legal. Well tried and trusted!
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Old 23rd January 2011, 20:59   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Email from Turquoise committee to Artev an VT

Hi Redlady

You have your reasons for posting the content of a letter that was circulated for the informations of Homeowners on Turquoise that was intended for VT & Artev.

In my opinion it is wrong to publish such information on an open forum at the present moment. Artev and VT have not had an opportunity to respond to this letter.

In hindsight do you not think it would have been wiser to keep this matter in house or until the Turquoise Committee decided to go public as a last resort.

Whats done is done, but please think twice about publishing their response if there ever is one. We have closed forums and the opportunity to debate such matters in house.

Yes go public as a last resort. leonard did just that and I support his right to do so.

I am sure there are those who would disagree with my stance, that's what makes us all different and the right to say how we feel.

Will leave you with this quote.
In matters of truth and justice, there is no difference between large and small problems, for issues concerning the treatment of people are all the same.
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Re: Email from Turquoise committee to Artev an VT

If this letter was sent to Turquoise Homeowners, how come I have never seen it? I can only assume it has been sent only to members of the Turquoise Owners Club, which he Committee oversee. Of course there are many owners who are not memebers of this club and therefore unaware or privy to the internal workings/discussions or politics of the 'Elected Committee'. I am a homeowner and they do not represent me or, I hazard to say, many other owners on the Turquoise Site.
To post this letter on this open forum only shows desperation of the committee and to put most of it in CAPITALS, will only serve to annoy the intended addressees. I understand that VT have already refused to have any further dealings with certain members of this committee as stated in their letter to homeowners.

Could I suggest that you organise yourselves for the forthcoming AGM in May? THis is the accepted way of voicing your requirements and commenting on the past year.
Just a thought.
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I have to agree, I am angry that Redlady has shared this communication on a public forum.
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I dont know the politics of the site, but as has been said, there is a process for dealing with the issues you have raised

It is the AGM, failing that you can call an XGM, though I think you would need the support of 4/5 ths of the owners to do that, someone please correct me if I am wrong.

lastly the content and structure of your letter is poor on my opinion, jumping back and forth and as previously said typed in capitals !, please dont take my criticism as anything other than constructive

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Yorkshire lad this is happening on a lot of sites commitees and groups have set up dividing the sitesi who wins no one wins and so it goes on ours is same and the strangle hold has to stop and will do so but only by going down the correct route by knowing the rules and regulations of Turkish condminuim law as yalimart states by calling an xgm meeting this takes time but this is is the only way forward. All you get otherwise is chinese whispers. I wish you all on Turquoise the very best of luck M x
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redlady suddenly joins forum with this post ? i suspect adrian jackson has reappeared
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Hi Emerald

Surely you are not suggesting that someone would sign up to our forum so as just to post this thread and create difficulties so that one would have an excuse not to communicate with a certain group….one could think paranoia…another could think,
good observation Dr Watson.

Same thought could also apply for the other respondents on low postings.

It is possible to trace a Posters “IP ADDRESS” and country of Internet Provider.

Martin, Redlady copied and pasted the letter, the letter was issued in PDF formatt.

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these people never seem to have answer when asked details about their property.spammers trying to confuse issue
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