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Old 6th October 2008, 10:58   #1 (permalink)
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child poverty turkey

İ really cant understand the posts of overt sympathy for the plight of animals..however sad it is..while at the same time dismissing begging bedraggled children as an elaborate charade.

This is in response to the anecdotes we hear about wealth in Turkey..and is part of UNİCEF'S current winter newsletter.
Unicef has a great site and you can get their monthly newsletters..and also learn about child poverty and any campaigns that are going on to help children in need not only in Turkey but in other countries too.
Google Unicef Turkey to learn more.



Say Yes, Winter 2008: Children still at high risk of poverty

© UNICEF Turkey 2008
Despite improvements, poverty in the wider sense continues to affect a large proportion of the population — particularly children.
Over a quarter of children aged under 15 in Turkey belonged to households still living in food and non–food poverty in 2006, according to the most recent annual study on poverty published by the Turkish Statistical Institute (Turkstat).

Households living in food and non–food poverty are defined as those unable to meet all the needs of their members for food and other essential items. Children are most likely to live below the line for the simple reason that larger families, with more children, have greater difficulty meeting the needs of all their members. Yet inadequate nutrition and housing, low access to basic health and quality education services and the need to go to work at an early age can damage children permanently by retarding their physical and mental development and exposing them to illness, accidents, violence, abuse, stigmatisation, socialisation difficulties, crime and addictions.

Rural alarm
The 25.23% of under–15s in food and non–food poverty corresponds to almost 5.3 million children. The 2006 figures, which were published on December 26, 2007, nevertheless point to a continuing improvement by comparison with 2005, when 27.71% of the under–15 age group were living in food and non–food poverty.
Alarmingly, however, rural children are now three times as likely to experience poverty as urban children. While the proportion of under–15s living in food and non–food poverty in urban areas fell from 19.51% in 2005 to 13.5% in 2006, the corresponding ratio for rural areas — defined as settlements with a population of 20,000 or less — picked up from 40.60% to 43.63%.

Millennium Development Goals (MDGs)
Among the population as a whole, the ratio of individuals in food and non–food poverty was 17.81% in 2006 — down from 20.5% a year earlier. Accordingly, Turkey’s MDGs target of 13.5% by 2015 appears to be in sight, despite the slower rates of growth in GDP and employment witnessed in 2007.
Turkey already appears to have eliminated poverty by the narrowest measure: the proportion of the population living on $1 a day. But all broader indicators still point to a significant level of poverty closely linked to low education on the one hand, and unpaid family employment, irregular employment, self–employment and employment in agriculture on the other.
Percentage of children under 15 years of age living in food and non–food poverty in Turkey, 2002–2006

2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Total 34.55 37.04 34.02 27.71 25.23
Urban 30.59 30.43 24.22 19.51 13.50
Rural 41.10 46.44 49.34 40.60 43.63

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It is typically English to care more about animals than people.

I'm afraid that I will ignore the well intentioned advice and continue to give to beggars and street children who show some enterprise. They are going to have to live off their wits and street skills, so as long as they don't try to rob me I will help where I can.

I am also, for similar reasons, not against children working to contribute to family finances; it is OK for us with our foreign lifestyles telling people how they should and should not behave, but until there is a change at a country-wide level, I will do what I think is right.

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I remember you making a similar post to this before Shirley and its good to be reminded.I have started donating money at my bank. Its very, very sad to read these figures.
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Sorry double post again, dont know why it keeps happening. I get a garbled message and I think it hasnt gone and so submit again only to find it has.
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very true İan..
Although İ hope times change for Turkey as it has for us in the West. My father was extremely bright but as the eldest in a family of 10 was sent underground to work in the 'pits'..his headteacher had got him a scholarship to a Public school but his father refused..they needed money more than education.
İ think it was irresponsible of Prime Minister Erdoğan telling people to have at least 3 children when there is little to help the poorest here.
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Re: child poverty turkey

I agree Shirley, there are a few families round by us that really look down on there luck and we still see the little ones selling beads etc in the evenings when we go out, it frightens me when I see them so small out on their own at night, I know they are a lot more street wise than our kids but some of them look as young as 6 or 7, but still they are open to all kinds of abuse on the streets.

Apart from donations which we give on a regular basis to various charity what can we do, I have been thinking of taking over some bits next time we visit but how would these be received, I'm talking about clothes ours have outgrown, pencils, paper things like that, would offence be taken if these families were approached or would it be best to take them to a charity shop or something like that.

I know this is not the answer long term but when I see the bags of clothes we take to the charity shop at home that our kids might have only worn once or twice and when I go into some of our bargin shops and see big boxes of pens and pencil being sold for a pound or so, it so little for us but for some of these familys things like that are just not in there budget.

What do you think Shirley what would be the best way to go about it

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Interesting posts. However for me it's not a choice between animals or people in need, it's both and I will try to help both in any way I can. I agree with Ian and have bought things from children on the street. I have also given small change to the little boys who sit there with the bathroom scales (no way will I get on those scales though LOL). If they don't go home with some money it could be starvation or abuse. Easy to say it shouldn't be allowed but how else can they manage? Education can be the way out of poverty for some and it's sad that like Shirley's grandfather it's just impossible to fund the education when you need money so much. In some far east countries though the probelm is much worse and children are really exploited in factories where they do skilled jobs such as embroidery in poor conditions and are very poorly paid. Every time I buy some cheap item of clothing with beading or embroidery on it I worry about who has made it. It is so unfair that we get these things so cheaply at the expense of children.
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Hi Jane is you look at the UNİCEF Turkey page you can get a contact email about helping in Turkey... its an excellent site..
İ agree with Jane also we shouldnt be in disagreement about whether to help either children or animals. İf we are fortunate to be in a position where we can help then we should.
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I agree, interesting posts and I do not have any offer as to the best way to go about looking after animals or kids in what is a very different situation to the UK.
Here we have various charities which cater for both and the child poverty label attached to kids who haven't got a mobile phone or the latest pair of Nike's which is pathetic when comparing it to many countries, not just Turkey, where it is a matter of no money, no food and often no way out of it either.
It does look particularly bad in this day and age when we are currently seeing greed and the aftermath of it at home, yet not far away, there are those who are scraping for the basics.
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There is child poverty and cruelty in UK. It really isn't as flippant as not having a mobile phone or latest fashions. Neither is it anything new. During my long career I have regularly found small children who are undernourished and come to school without breakfast. Mine and many other teachers reaction is to make them a sandwich or keep a packet of cereal on hand. In severe cases we can turn to other agencies for help. Many teachers will organise clothing for these kids as well. Often the better off parents would hand me good outgrown clothes and I would find a way of passing these onto the very poor families without causing offence. However because of our system of free school dinners and a system whereby children who are not at school are checked up on it is not as dire as some countries. However saying that there are some who slip through the net. Victoria Climbe is a prime example.
I expect there are many caring teachers in Turkey who would do the same kinds of things so Jane you need to find one and ask how you can help. Someone else told me to approach an Imam as he would know who needed help and be able to do it for you.

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