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Old 29th October 2011, 20:53   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation Beware fiddle back/brown recluse spider!

Hi, all. Bitten by this spider early hours monday morning. Still not sure what is going to happen to my foot. For reference:-

1) Hides in clothes, shoes, bedding, bedrooms, behind pictures etc. If outside, in leaves and log piles.
2) If bitten, may or may not feel sharp burning sting.
3) If possible catch spider carefully to confirm id.
4) Within few hours, swelling, intense pain and itching. Blister forms pretty quickly.
5) Symptoms now on include fever, more inflamed swelling locally, itching, pain, muscle aches, general malaise, fatigue, nausea, vomitting.
6) Blister continues to enlarge, red areola type area surrounds blister. Blister may turn black. DO NOT puncture blister.
7) Further purple discoloration may appear around the button type areola.
8) 10-14 days following bite, blister erupts and ulcer seen under blister. At this point, the hole may need to be cleaned medically and packed in order to heal from the bottom to surface.
9) If rash appears where not bitten, may indicate venom has entered bloodstream. Intra venous antibiotics needed asap in hospital.
10) Venom can cause organ failure.
11) Death tends to occur in children under 7. Check your kids' shoes, bedding, clothes.

DO NOT apply tourniquet.

DO NOT apply hot compress or massage as this distributes venom.

Antibiotics do not eradicate venom.

Medical treatment needed as soon as poss following bite. Didim hospital familiar with this issue, apparently.

However, antihistamines, big doses antibiotics needed asap to minimise damage to tissue. Ibuprofen good analgesic as anti inflammatory.

These wounds can necrose i.e. tissue dies and surgery needed.

Takes 6-8 weeks for wound to heal if no complications. If necrosis occurs, can take months. Recurring swelling, lumps, open wounds do occur.

90% bites heal with antibiotics, rest, ice to area, compression with bandage, elevation of affected part. Keep a close eye. IF ANY DICOLOURATION OCCURS SEEK MEDICAL HELP.

Plenty info and images of wounds (!) available on yahoo or google.

This from my experience and research. Doctors know best, especially locally!

On that happy note, looking forward to returning!

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Old 29th October 2011, 22:25   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Beware fiddle back/brown recluse spider!

What an awful experience. Does anyone have a photo of this type of spider?
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Re: Beware fiddle back/brown recluse spider!

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According to the above this spider is not a native to Turkey

"The brown recluse spider is native to the United States from the southern Midwest south to the Gulf of Mexico. The native range lies roughly south of a line from southeastern Nebraska through southern Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana to southwestern Ohio. In the southern states, it is native from central Texas to west-central South Carolina and north to Kentucky"
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Brown Recluse or Fiddleback Spider

Ugh..........hope you feel better soon. Looks and sounds really nasty and vicious.

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hello there....welcome to the forum
thats a dramatic first post and i hope you are doing ok
whereabouts in Turkey did you have the bad luck to get bitten
i hate spiders and thankfully haven't come across any really nasty ones here...
i met some really big house spiders in the uk although not aggressive nor poisonous ..
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Old 30th October 2011, 08:14   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Beware fiddle back/brown recluse spider!

I usually get bitten/stung fishing things out of the pool. Insects have no generosity at all!
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Re: Beware fiddle back/brown recluse spider!

A very strange first post for a Turkish forum as these spiders are only generally seen in the Americas. Looks a bit spammy to me.
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Re: Beware fiddle back/brown recluse spider!

If you're ever on Dalaman 'beach' (I use the term loosely) have a poke under the rocks for the scorpions. They're only little things but have a hefty sting (Not usually serious unless you're hyper-reactive to their venom) My nephew always kills them ... but he's a bit of a philistine when it comes to anything that crawls or slithers around.
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Re: Beware fiddle back/brown recluse spider!

The writer states that Didim hospital familiar with this issue, apparently. so I suppose that is the area we are talking about.

If you google the spider and add Turkey it does appear to live here. Here is one link, another had some awful photos of the bite so I didn't link it.

Poisonous Spiders in Turkey | eHow.com
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Turkey is home to many species of venomous spiders. These spiders dwell both in rural areas and in urban Turkey. The venom in the bite of these spiders cause a range of symptoms in humans from mild swelling to paralysis and causes death in young children and cattle.

The Black Widow

This spider belonging to the family Therididae and is found in all Mediterranean countries, though rarely in Turkey, unlike in other parts of Europe. A Black Widow bite causes cattle death. Symptoms of infection in humans after the bite of the Black Widow include swollen eyes, abdominal pain and sore muscles.

The Brown Recluse Spider

The Turkish species of the Brown Recluse spider, or the "violin spider," is found in Mardin, Mugla, Elbistan and Hatay. The spider belongs to the group of spiders called Loxoscelidae. The venom of these spiders cause a range of severe symptoms, including fever, chills, itching, severe lesions and organ damage. At first, a blister appears; later, it swells, and the skin becomes red and hard. Children as young as 7 have died as a result of the bite of this species of spider.

Yellow Sac Spider

The Yellow Sac spider, also known as Cheiracanthium Punctorium or "Turkish foliage" spider, weaves its web among fallen leaves in Turkish gardens and fields. The spider, though generally harmless, spews venom when provoked, and the bite causes a nasty sting. Patients who suffer an allergic reaction to the venom suffer bouts of nausea.

Six Eyed Spider

Segestria Florentina, or the six-eyed spider, is found in Istanbul, Izmir and Mugla and has a venomous bite when provoked. These spiders live under stones, logs and in walls, and their bites causes adverse symptoms in humans. The painful bite feels like a sharp sting, and pain and swelling last for several days.

The Turkish Garden Spider

The Turkish garden spider Araneus Diadematus is a relatively harmless spider that lives in Turkish gardens. When provoked, the spider's bite can be painful and causes swelling in the skin, but the venom does not cause any major health hazard. (I've been bitten by this little bugger and it hurts! Little finger swelled up and went red but symptoms disappeared after about an hour and I've been OK afterwards ... allegedly))

Hunter Spider

Tegenaria, also called the "hobo spider" in North America and the "hunter spider" in Turkey, has a poisonous bite. The bite of the hunter spider can cause necrosis or death of skin cells and agonizing localized pain.


Read more: Poisonous Spiders in Turkey | eHow.com Poisonous Spiders in Turkey | eHow.com

Poisonous and venomous insects, spiders and snakes in Turkey

Nasty pics of what the Brown Recluse's venom (and others) can do to the human body. Not for the squeamish!





That’s right – there are still a few bears kicking about in Turkey. Namely, the Syrian Brown Bear. To be honest, you’re more likely to win the Euro Millions Jackpot than encounter one, but if you do meet one you’ll know it by its light, straw-coloured fur and dark stripe running across the back. It will know you by the yellow streak down your back as you rapidly disappear in the opposite direction! You’ll know it when you see it. The Syrian Brown Bear is mostly found in central and western Turkey. It’s endangered so please don’t kill one unless you really have to. It should go without saying but if you’re bitten by a Syrian Brown Bear you will probably need to see a doctor or more likely an undertaker!



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