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Old 15th November 2016, 17:33   #61 (permalink)
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Unfortunately that's not how growing numbers see its use.

No one has any objection whatsoever to quiet reflection or acknowledgement by poppy of respect as they see it for the .fallen

However that's very different to the almost "compulsory remembrance " which appears to have crept into lives.

It used to be a day of remembrance, now it's a month. In the other link I posted the question of what football matches have to do with remembrance is also raised Then on the subject of freedom to chose -it used to be public dignitaries duly showed respect by wearing poppies - now public employees like BBC presenters are forced to comply

It's the compulsion that is disturbing as it is not only against the "freedoms " the fallen died for , but also creates a " them and us" atmosphere between wearers and those who chose not to

Robert Fisk, John Snow etc are as patriotic as the next man, but they see freedom of choice as being as precious as freedom of expression
I don`t wear one but am as patriotic(ish) as the next man.
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Exactly my point

So why is there the need for compulsion on tv presenters or indeed forcing remembrance into other aspects of life, football matches etc?
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I think war memorials and their meaning has really gone over your head, maybe if you visit a few you will get a better understanding.

The significance of 'The Poppy', the how and what it signifies, also seems to have gone over your head, maybe if you visit The Royal British Legion someone will explain their take on it:

WHAT THE POPPY MEANS

The poppy is

A symbol of Remembrance and hope
Worn by millions of people
Red because of the natural colour of field poppies

The poppy is NOT

A symbol of death or a sign of support for war
A reflection of politics or religion
Red to reflect the colour of blood

Wearing a poppy is a personal choice and reflects individual and personal memories. It is not compulsory but is greatly appreciated by those it helps – our beneficiaries: those currently serving in our Armed Forces, veterans, and their families and dependants.

This video sends a good message.

In Flanders Fields, John McCrae - YouTube
What I am concerned about is that for many it has become not a sign of remembrance and hope, but of national pride.

This sort of comment for example is rife:
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Interim England manager Gareth Southgate described the poppy on Thursday as "part of our identity as a nation".
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Fifa's secretary general, Fatma Samoura, told BBC Sport last week: "We have to apply uniformly and across the 211 member associations the laws of the game.

"Britain is not the only country that has been suffering from the result of war. The only question is why are we doing exceptions for just one country and not the rest of the world?"
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Exactly my point

So why is there the need for compulsion on tv presenters or indeed forcing remembrance into other aspects of life, football matches etc?
I reckon FIFAs attitude rubbed a few up the wrong way with their ruling.
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I do too and reckon armbands or something could have been a compromise?

But as an international organisation were we not going to have something being remembered/commemorated virtually every game by some country or other

Again as I have said it's an emotive subject and one that's viewed differently in degree by differing nations
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Old 16th November 2016, 08:32   #66 (permalink)
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A great thread turned around agaın.Starts off,The Last Post,then a crap joke comes ın,a bıt of ınsultıng and back bıtıng,then the Poppy rears ıts head,Page 3 got brought ınto ıt,God knows why,then the sıze of Jaycee's bıceps got a showıng,Akasya couldnt fınd part of the pages and cleared hıs cache,then the Poppy got brought back ınto ıt wıth Memorıals depıctıng disembowlment and lost lımbs should be buılt,phew.
Bet you wısh you never started thıs thread Uzumlu-Old-Boy.Anyway,back to the Trumpet.
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